VR6 Clut$ch who's good at swappin out

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VR6 Clut$ch who's good at swappin out

Postby 2nsane » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:28 pm

So after the fiasco with the GTI I decided to Call VW and find out how much it would be for our 2004 Jetta GLI VR6 for a clutch.
$2000.00 yea thats right two thousand dollers for a damn clutch! :whoa:
:thumbsdow So yea, I am thinking about trading in our jetta now and forgetting the whole VW thing. Anybody ever swap one out in a 6sp VR6?
if so how much would you charge me? and I will help all the way. I can swap out a 95 stang clutch in less than 2hrs. I cant beleive it takes 13hrs for a jetta clutch :thumbsdow
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Postby lunisport » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:21 pm

Believe it. It's about a 20 hour job to do the 100k maintenance, so doing a clutch at 13 hours seems about right.

If you're in the Peninsula, page Dr. Sureguy here on NCVW, and he can take care of you. He's in the Redwood City area.

If you were in the East Bay, I'd say bring it to Tomas Sport Tuning. He did my 100k, put a new clutch in while at it and replaced a high pressure steering hose that was leaking.

Mustangs are RWD, much easier to drop the tranny than a FWD/AWD. I did the clutch in my Gen 1 RX7 in a couple hours, not knowing what I was really doing. Disconnect the driveshaft, unbolt the tranny, slide it out of the way, replace clutch, reinstall everything. Not so easy on a transverse mounted FWD car :box:

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Postby monkeymeat » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:52 am

Im looking to do the same on my 1.8t. I was quoted $1700 from the dealer. I called someone who has worked on my car before and he told me $500 for labor so thats where Im going. He says the o2m is a pain in the ass to get out, and checking on vortex people were talking about dropping the subframe to remove it. :thumbsdow

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Postby omllenado » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:25 pm

If someone would do it for $500 do it. It's not that hard just time consuming and most of that time spent on bench pressing the tranny.

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Postby Turtle-Dude » Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:17 pm

zoso wrote:I've heard of good VW mechanics that have done it several times and have the right equipment being able to get a mk3/mk4 tranny out in a couple of hours. Doing the clutch is about 15 minutes, then a couple hours back in.

$150 for a clutch kit and $500 in labor, what a gip huh.


Think of how long it took to bench press yours in...that was a MkIII!!!

02J is a little more difficult...02M is a biatch. Not $2k of a biatch...but one all the same. If I could get $2k I'd do 'em all day long and I'd never have a day job again. Hell, I'd retire in a few years.
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Postby monkeymeat » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:10 pm

How much of a biatch is the o2m? Any special tools required, this will be my 1st clutch.

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Postby Turtle-Dude » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:14 pm

Patience. Lots of patience. Do NOT throw things when it won't come out...or go back in.

Clutch alignment tool. "Triple Square"(twelve point) set for the axles. Torque wrench for proper torques (shouldn't have to mention this but you'd be surprised at what falls off when you don't torque properly). All I can think of now. :thumb:
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Postby 2nsane » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:55 pm

I think I am going to trade her car in at 60K that gives her another good 5k to drive it. Then its off for something else. no way I am going to pay someone that much money for a clutch. and for the 100K the dealer showed me in writing that the damn chain is not required to be replaced only if the ECL light comes on for the cam chain tens. but unless I find another place that will do it for about 1400 less. VW can have their Cars.
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Postby Turtle-Dude » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:39 am

Would be interesting to see how much other manufacturers vehicles cost to service. Wouldn't change my mind though. I love VW's. Everything about them, including the quirks, idiosyncrasies, costs. Logical? Nah...but I'm a VW owner...SOMETHING in my life need not be logical.
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Postby monkeymeat » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:46 am

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What do you think about lightened flywheels, are they worth the money?

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Postby Turtle-Dude » Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:22 am

monkeymeat wrote:Turtle
What do you think about lightened flywheels, are they worth the money?


Depends. Reducing rotating mass is nearly always a good thing...unless you go too light which becomes difficult to drive smoothly. Less power used in spinning the mass means more power further down the drive train.
It's not really an opinion as much as it is physics. The compromise of light weight vs. smooth driving is dependent on your feet. :thumb:

Mine is approx. 13lbs and no one has ever had a problem driving it...if no one but Amber and I drove it, I'd go as low as 10~11lbs.
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Postby monkeymeat » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:35 pm

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Are you saying it will take you 5 hours to do clutch/flywheel on a 1.8t 6spd.
LSD, I wish just not in the budget, got twins on the way and a pissed off wife.

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Im looking at maybe 14 lbs., I think stock is 22 or 26. What is the reliability like?

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Postby my02vr6 » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:37 pm

Sureguy wrote:How about a Peloquin while we're in there? :whoa:

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Here's flywheel difference on a VR6. Right is stock. Left is Eurospec Sport

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yes please, i'll take both :thumb:
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Postby Turtle-Dude » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:18 pm

I have NEVER seen a flywheel come apart on a non-race engine. Only 1 on a sbc race engine. I've never seen a ring gear loosen up on a VW flywheel either. Flex plates? Now that's a whole 'nuther story. :rofl:
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Postby Turtlesgirl » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:43 pm

zoso wrote:.... "real" mechanics ....(as pictured about), cool tranny hoist (as pictured above) etc.


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Postby Turtle-Dude » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:25 pm

zoso wrote:I said some VW mechanics that I knew of, not you bench pressing it in. "real" mechanics often have specialty tools like cool engine holders (as pictured about), cool tranny hoist (as pictured above) etc.


LOL...funny. I know how to remedy that lack of toolage...charge $2000 for a clutch replacement! :rofl:

Then you and I can any tool we want. :thumb:
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Postby lunisport » Sun Aug 12, 2007 10:42 pm

OK, I kinda feel dumb, or do I.

The car I thought we were referring to in the original post was a 24v VR6 with a 6 speed, which is what my GTI is as well. Those pix look like a 12v VR6.

From what was told to me from Tim at TST, the 24v and the 6 speed were harder to work on than a 12v with a 5 speed.

The long labor time on the timing chain and guides might have been the fact that I was the first 24v with a 6 speed he had worked on, so it would take time to figure out tips and tricks on doing the chain guides and such.

All I know is that I'm glad I had Tim take care of it. I wasn't about to tackle that by myself nor let a dealer do it. (And I didn't know you yet, Jim, heh).

Big ups to Dr. Sureguy :thumb:


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